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No. 1: Jennifer Bohle

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JenYou didn't just come to learn, you're here on the podcast.

JenniferYeah.

JenDo some self-promotion, at least a little bit.

BridgerJennifer Ann Counseling is here.

JenniferI'm here.

JenWell, welcome to our little mini Notice That. This is so exciting.

JenniferThis is awesome. Your guys' setup is so cool.

JenI have to tell you, you've been like the number one person. I feel like I'm fangirling. I've been thrilled to see you here, so I'm really glad it worked out for you to join us. Such an honor.

JenniferI'm so happy to hear that. And I'm so happy to be here with you guys, because you were my very first podcast.

BridgerAre you serious?

JenniferYeah, ever.

BridgerOh my gosh.

JenniferAnd we recorded in what, like December of last year, or November or something?

BridgerSeems like just yesterday. I don't know.

JenniferJust yesterday. Yeah, it does. But you were my very first podcast.

BridgerThat's incredible.

JenniferI remember flying back from a trip, I think it was Thanksgiving or something, and preparing for your guys' show, and I was so excited. So it's like full circle.

BridgerThat's amazing.

JenHave you done several since then?

JenniferI've done probably seven or eight.

BridgerDang.

JenOkay, good for you.

JenniferSo it's fun. At first I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then I was like, okay, I gotta start,

BridgerHave to throttle this down.

JenniferYeah, yeah, yeah.

BridgerBecause we talked about, I mean, playfulness. We talked about it a lot, but playfulness, the person behind the therapist, social media, your journey. Have the others been about like a spectrum of things?

JenniferYeah. Do you know Tom Parks Therapy?

BridgerI know the name.

JenI'm not familiar.

JenniferI really like Tom a lot, and I went on his, it's called Mentally Flexible. We talked a lot about social media and content creation and things like that. And then it's been just kind of like how a lot of people are interested in how I got on social media and how it's going and how I grew. And that's really fun to talk about, I mean, I love talking about that. And then sometimes people want to talk to me about actual therapy, like my therapy work, you know, like I'm also a clinical therapist. But I think it's cool that people are so attracted to the personality part of it, and just being a human, that's what I really want. And I've had several people already come up to me at the conference and say, thank you for giving me permission to be like a funky therapist or a fun therapist, you know?

JenBe yourself in that.

JenniferYeah. So that's what a lot of the conversations have been about on the podcast.

JenSo this is your first introduction into the EMDRIA world, right? Like first conference.

JenniferThis is my second conference.

JenOkay.

JenniferMy first one was in 2023.

JenOkay. I didn't realize that.

JenniferAnd I haven't been back in a while, I think that one was in Virginia. And then it was crazy, because I was just flying under the radar, like going to breakfast by myself.

JenDoing your own thing.

JenniferLike going back to my room at night and just ordering DoorDash.

BridgerEnjoying a little stay away.

JenniferAnd now it's like, oh my gosh, people know who I am, which is kind of cool.

BridgerYou said before we started recording, you just got like mobbed when you first got here.

JenniferYeah, which is so cool. It's like, oh my gosh, because I've been recognized in Colorado Springs where I live and other places, but never so much in one place. And it makes sense, I'm in a world of therapists and I make therapy content, so it makes sense. But it's just kind of like, wow, I wasn't expecting that. And it's cool. I feel really, really fortunate that people want to meet me and that they like my content.

JenOkay, I would just say like, yes. And can we peel back how freaking hard it is? How tiring it is? I don't know, maybe you're not feeling it yet, but I'm like running on caffeine.

BridgerOh yeah. We've been here since Wednesday.

JenniferOkay, so you guys have been here for a while, so you've had a lot of conversations.

JenA few. And we have many more to come.

BridgerIt's networking, and then it's the having to be on. Somewhat similar degree of, like, we don't have anybody that notices us around our hometown at all.

JenLike people in Springfield don't care about us at all.

JenniferReally?

BridgerNo, not really at all.

JenNot at all.

BridgerCan we just talk about that? But when we come here, it's like so many people.

JenniferLove you. I told people I was coming to talk to you and they're like, I noticed that. People love you.

BridgerThat's amazing.

JenniferI love you guys.

BridgerBut that's a different level of social awareness, to be like, oh, I'm going to walk into a room and I don't know who's going to talk to me, you know?

JenniferExactly. I was talking to Sarah Hines, she's a therapist on social media, and I was kind of processing with her yesterday. And I was just talking to you guys about it right before this. Like, I want to be so kind and inviting when people approach me, but it's just a new thing for me to be approached by so many people at once. And I want them to feel seen by me, you know, just trying to do a lot in a very short amount of time. Like I want them to feel understood and loved and cared for, like the most important person in the world. And I want to be myself. And I was talking to Sarah about it and she's like, I think it's okay to have different facets of your personality come out with different people and be authentic, but also you're not going to be yourself in every setting.

JenYou can't be on the whole time.

JenniferExactly. So that's just been interesting to explore, like, who am I? What does that even mean, to be myself?

BridgerI have two things. First, I want to hear, well, not in any particular order. One is that I want to hear about how it's been launching your Permission to Post. Would love to hear anything about that. But then also, I love seeing your partner show up in your stuff.

JenniferOh my gosh.

BridgerAnd he's here.

JenniferHe's at Disneyland. He's here, but he's at Disneyland. He texted me this morning in the middle of the keynote speaker and he was like, single rider is so clutch, like the single rider lane. He's like, this is awesome.

BridgerJust zoom and pass.

JenniferSo yeah, it's so fun to have him here. We were at a conference for him in San Antonio right before this, for his real estate conference. So I was doing my sessions from there, and now he's here. I mean, I had to work while he was at his conference, and he's at Disneyland while I'm at my conference. But yeah, I'm so happy that he's here.

JenOh, that has to make the traveling and the experience, like you can go back and kind of re-regulate, unwind.

JenniferYeah, like after yesterday in the lobby, when I got approached right when I walked in, he was like, I got to talk to him and be like, how was that? How did I do? What did that look like to you? And he got to give me some tips and feedback.

JenThat's so helpful.

JenniferIt is really helpful.

JenI feel like there's a very specific part that has to show up to do this, and it's deeply enjoyable and it's fun. But then there's the other part that's like, I just need to go back to my person and just feel seen for a moment, and grounded.

JenniferIt's nice. And it's funny, because I was at the Renaissance Fair in Colorado like three or four weeks ago, and I posted a photo there, and then I got some messages that were like, I saw you at the Renaissance Fair today. But they were like, I actually saw your partner first, and I recognized him first. So he's getting recognized. So that's fun.

BridgerHas it shown up in ROI on his investment or his real estate side yet?

JenniferNot really. He's like, you should plug my business. I'm like, that's weird. I don't know, that's kind of strange.

BridgerSimplePractice, that's like all that's on your stuff.

JenniferThat's the only brand deal I've got right now, buddy. But it's interesting, because the stories that I show him in, or the reels that I show him in, people like him a lot. And it's like, Ryan, you know, people just know it's Ryan. So that's really fun to see.

BridgerI forget that your partner's name is Ryan, and you're,

JenMy husband is Ryan.

BridgerThat's Ryan right there.

JenHe's also here.

JenniferWait, that's Ryan? Oh my gosh.

BridgerYou're Jennifer and you have a Ryan.

JenAnd he also is like business, real estate, finance.

JenniferWe're the same person.

BridgerAre you guys quantumly entangled? What is she thinking about right now?

JenI will never tell.

JenniferShe knows.

BridgerThere's a pact.

JenniferYeah, she knows.

JenI would not speak that out loud.

JenniferThat's so funny. Jennifer and Ryan. Wow.

JenVery crazy. Well, tell us, what is something you're hoping to experience? Oh, sorry. Permission to Post, back up.

BridgerWait, Permission to Post. How has that gone?

JenniferOh, yes. Permission to Post. That has been really fun and really unexpected. I was very nervous to launch that course, which is just about how to show up how you are, authentically, on social media. I didn't think that it would be such a hit, but I've sold, I think I have like 370 people in the course. And that's been really, I mean, I've gotten not one ounce of negative feedback yet. Knock on wood. But if I do, it's fine, it'll be good input. It's just cool to see that people are actually benefiting from it and feeling more confident on camera and showing up as a therapist on social media, and seeing how you can be a therapist and infuse your personality into your content in an ethical way. And that the personality is really a helpful way to connect with people.

BridgerAnd you also have within it, this is one of my favorite parts about when I actually got into the course and I started to see it,

JenniferYou took the course. Oh my gosh, I should be asking you what you think.

BridgerGet some feedback.

JenHere we go.

BridgerBut it was, if you have ever had the experience of just, you're on Jennifer Ann Counseling's page, like we all are most of the time, and you're just scrolling video after video after video after video, and you're like, this is how I get to feel like I'm connected to Jen a little bit. This is even more that, because you have affirmations built into it, and you have so much, like you're speaking to the person of the therapist.

JenniferSome therapy exercises in it, yeah.

BridgerFor real.

JenniferSo it's not therapy, though.

BridgerNo,

JenniferDisclaimer, disclaimer. It's not therapy.

BridgerBut it does, I think, so meaningfully acknowledge that this social media thing, there's a very clickbaity way of doing it. That's like, yeah, get out there, you're supposed to be on social media. But your whole premise, at least how I encounter it, is that this is a way to express yourself and introduce yourself to people. Not just in the objectified be-a-therapist-and-talk-about-EMDR way, but I'm a person, I have pain, I have sorrow, I have joy, I have anxiety. It's a way of capturing that, that if we can just get over this hurdle of just turn the camera on and let your ideas start going, yourself can be on the screen.

JenniferYes. That's so well put. That's exactly what I'm hoping the course does for people, is just give them a place to start. Because I do think once you allow yourself and give yourself permission, ideas will start flowing and you will just be able to start making content. Just practicing, you just have to do it. I think I even said probably in our first podcast episode together, scrolling back and looking at my earlier posts, I'm like, it's just so cringey to look at. But that's part of it, and I talk all about embracing the cringe. And it's okay if it feels cringey, it's supposed to feel cringey, and sometimes it's going to feel better. But just because it feels weird or cringey doesn't mean you have to stop. So that has been really, really cool, and just to see people start, I love when people tag me in their posts and say, you helped me make this. And people already at the conference come up and say, you know, and send me stuff. So yeah, the course has been really, really fun. And it's been another way to also realize, oh, I can make an income with content creation, which is something I've always wanted to do. And again, like I think I said last time, it's so cool to be able to bridge my therapy work with content creation, because I never knew that that was an option. And to be able to bring your creative side into your therapy work is just so cool.

BridgerThat is so cool.

JenIt's like that opens up space to get to enjoy the therapy work differently, when it's like not all the eggs are in one basket or the pressure on one. Like, can I diversify that income?

JenniferYeah, that's how it feels. It feels really nice.

JenOkay, so what are you wanting from the EMDRIA conference, just for you?

JenniferYeah, that's such a good, Ryan, my partner, was telling me at his real estate conference this week, he was like, I set intentions for myself for this conference. And I was like, that's awesome. Because last year, I remember we went to his conference last year too, and he was saying how overwhelmed he was at the sessions. And I was saying, that's such a normal, like I was already overwhelmed in the keynote speaker, thinking of all the things I need to do better. Or like all the things. But I know that that's going to happen in all of these sessions, because you're getting so much information all at once while you're networking, while you're doing all this stuff. And so I think the number one thing is to just be kind to myself and realize that I am doing a lot just in my personhood, like who I am with my clients.

JenLike that's amazing.

JenniferAnd I can always weave things in and help them further, but I'm not going to be able to do it all. And so I always try to remind myself that when I'm doing any sort of training or going into any sort of conference, like those feelings are going to come up. And then my other intentions are to meet people and to network and to have fun and to laugh with people. That's always number one, like to just have fun. And then I would love to be able to take something away that I am using next week with my clients. Because I think sometimes it's hard, I can find myself delaying EMDR with clients sometimes just because I have doubts about my own skills at times, like that just comes up. And so I think just feeling more confident in certain areas where I can just start that with them, whether it's resourcing or just doing BLS slowly, some way, you know?

JenWhat a beautiful approach to the conference. I think that first be gentle with yourself is a message we could all benefit from in these environments.

JenniferWhat are your guys' takeaways? What are you hoping to take away?

BridgerWell, this is the first conference that we've attended where it's just like full Notice That. So we're not presenting, we're not really even trying to do something like that. We have our book coming out next year on EMDR and the therapeutic relationship. You're already going to get a copy, don't worry about it.

JenniferThank you. I want one.

BridgerYeah, don't worry about it.

JenniferAmazing.

BridgerBut it's really, this is the largest-scale recording kind of blueprint that we've ever had. So I think so much of our hope is that we get to capture moments like this, and from the keynote speakers and different people that are really a part of the larger conversation of EMDR. So that's one of my real hopes, these full-length interviews that we're getting to do, that they can be relevant, show people that aren't here what kinds of conversations are happening at the EMDRIA conference.

JenAnd I really want to showcase the humans behind these professionals that stand up on a stage, that we all look to as like, oh, you just have so much knowledge and experience and wisdom, and you're on this pedestal. And I want to get them in these chairs where we're all sitting together and be like, who are you behind all of that? And that is relevant and important and exciting, but then also, you're just a person too.

JenniferRight. Like Bridger was saying, we have anxieties and fears and feelings. And I think when you can connect on that level with someone, it just makes you trust someone so much more, makes everybody else feel more normal. Like I get so many comments on my videos that are like, I want to see a therapist like this, you know, who is saying normal stuff.

BridgerSounds like a human.

JenniferNot super clinical all the time.

JenI feel like that is the antidote to imposter syndrome, like, can we all show how real we are, and that there's so much similarity in that? And even though you've earned a spot on a stage with the presentation, which is so impressive and exciting, but also you're just a person too.

JenniferYes, exactly.

BridgerThe past two years we have gotten almost like a year's worth of direction out of these conferences. Like we come out of it with just, okay, here's what we're doing, what we're writing about, what we're making content around.

JenniferYou get so much exposure.

BridgerReal time. What are the questions? What's the feeling? What are people interested in?

JenniferWow. It's a lot, but it's worth it. It's a lot packed into a very short amount of time.

BridgerIf you can capture the data.

JenniferYou are, you're capturing.

JenWell, thank you for giving your time to this. I know you're busy.

JenniferThanks for wanting to talk to me. I feel so cool being on Notice That.

BridgerAnytime. If you want a weekly spot, you just come on over. Don't even worry about it.

JenniferI feel so cool.

JenAll right, thank you.

JenniferThank you guys.

BridgerThanks.

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